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Some of my friends and family accuse me of being incapable of "rightly dividing." <br /><br />I have a group of friends that meets every friday night to watch Bill Maher on cable tv. My brother asked me why do you do that to yourself?<br /><br />https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=bds&view=detail&mid=05F792F4737CBD34B45105F792F4737CBD34B451&FORM=VIRE<br /><br />thanks,<br />Jerryjerry27https://www.blogger.com/profile/14851607899289333423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29648991.post-56274067475445519202019-12-19T06:02:13.470-06:002019-12-19T06:02:13.470-06:00Thanks for the invite, Chuck. No trips scheduled r...Thanks for the invite, Chuck. No trips scheduled right now, but should we come back sometime soon, I'll be in touch.J. C. Schaaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06341317617084138897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29648991.post-45410625714604304062019-12-18T11:37:41.608-06:002019-12-18T11:37:41.608-06:00Every two weeks, three friends and I get up bright...Every two weeks, three friends and I get up bright and early and meet for omelets and coffee at Harry's Diner in Sheboygan (the one with shiny siding and a statue of Elvis in the entry) to discuss and make sense of what we are reading in light of our various ministries. (We are made up of two Evangelical Covenant pastors, a public sector lawyer licensed to exhort in the CRC, and a recently retired business guy who is married to one of the pastors.) <br /><br />For the past couple of months we've been working our way through Romans Disarmed. We're only four chapters in, so this is in no way a review. I can say, though, that thus far our entire group has expressed appreciation for a few important details in this book that would cause us to recommend it to anyone who is willing to have their paradigms shifted a bit while studying Romans.<br /><br />First, we've appreciated the work the authors do to bring multiple voices to the table. They recognize that their readers, even those who revel in occasional paradigm shifting, may have some reticence to simply swallow whole some of the suggestions for reading the text. Romans is a revolutionary text designed to oppose empire? Romans can be read through the lens of homelessness and homecoming? The authors recognize and address our initial hesitancy to go all in.<br /><br />Second, given that so much one reads on Romans is expressed as "Here is the one and only right way to understand Paul," we appreciate that while the authors are persuading us to read Romans in a different way, they are clear that doing so does not prevent us from also using older, more traditional spectacles. The motifs of opposing empire and homelessness do not shove out more traditional ways of reading Romans as a doctrinal text--they add to it, they give those traditional ways more color, more fullness.<br /><br />Third, as you pointed out, while many readers would experience this book as coming from a more "progressive" or "liberal" perspective, {meaningless words, really, but you get my meaning}, the text is taken very, very seriously. This is no "God is still speaking, so ignore all that stuff in the Bible." Nor is it "sure, this is Scripture, but it really only applies based on how you experience it." The authors take seriously the inspired words of Scripture.<br /><br />Finally, we enjoy the multifaceted methods of getting at the meaning in the Scripture. The narrative stories, the reflections on the folks in the authors' congregations, the targum of the first part of Romans, all provide different angles by which to examine the words and ideas in Romans.<br /><br />As noted, we are only four chapters in. Perhaps our appreciation will wane. Perhaps it will grow. And we have certainly expressed areas where we are not sure we fully buy into the authors' arguments (though, in those cases, we are also waiting to read more.) Regardless, "Romans Disarmed" has been a fruitful source of discussion and learning for our group. <br /><br />Professor Schaap, you probably don't get back to Sheboygan County as often as you once did. But if in the next few months you find you will be near your old stomping grounds on a Tuesday morning, let me know. Breakfast will be on me in exchange for a few of your further ponderings on "Romans Disarmed."Chuck Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01734654678962315259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29648991.post-83321214032361667562019-12-18T06:34:56.526-06:002019-12-18T06:34:56.526-06:00Wow! Never dawned on me that one of the writers mi...Wow! Never dawned on me that one of the writers might just show up here. Thanks for doing so--and thanks for the editing help. I've always been a lousy proofreader. Our study group includes others you probably know. We spent four nights on the book--it is long, after all :), and we greatly enjoyed it. What you called "the more controversial matters" didn't create any conflicts, in part because life in a small town--you know where we live--sometimes approximates at least some aspects of "living off the grid." (I know--the reason for the Trump madness is somewhere in that description too.) As far as I know, we have no homeless, but Siouxland has become incredibly more diverse in that last two decades, and creating community is a on-going project, as it is everywhere. We smiled about cell phones, but I dare say none of us (in the group anyway) are addicted--we're too old. I hope you're not offended if I say that there are times when some of us think that what critiques like yours suggest is what already exists in small-town life. Most of the discussion during the hours we spent talking about your book centered on the really important contributions you make to discussions of exactly how it is we read the Bible. Some of us--I certainly did--loved the way you attempt to bring the reader into New Testament life, as revealed in historical scholarship. All in all, we deeply appreciated the book, as my blog post claims. So thanks again! And now pardon me, I've got some editing to take care of. . . JimJ. C. Schaaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06341317617084138897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29648991.post-65700044557355228452019-12-17T20:37:16.309-06:002019-12-17T20:37:16.309-06:00Hey Jim, thanks for the review - or perhaps, thank...Hey Jim, thanks for the review - or perhaps, thanks for the post on some dimensions of our (admittedly) long book. There are a few infelicities that are kind of important to correct.<br />1. your quote of Rom 8.28 NRSV misses the word "work".<br />2. Keesmaat/Walsh translation (and the footnote in the NIV) of Rom 8.28 - you have "words for good," where you mean "works for good." I'm only nitpicking because the whole point is on how we translate this text.<br /><br />And yes, that difference in translation does indeed capture the tone and spirit of our book.<br /><br />Perhaps one final little point. Mayor Pete has a husband, not a bride.<br /><br />Thanks again for taking time with the book. I would love to know how your study group engaged the more controversial matters of climate change, cell phones, the state, and how we eat together. Brian Walshhttp://crc.sa.utoronto.ca/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29648991.post-13327605875826511882019-12-16T17:13:27.018-06:002019-12-16T17:13:27.018-06:00A few years ago I was asked to give a talk on &quo...A few years ago I was asked to give a talk on "raise you children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord." All female audience. A mother shared that one of her kids misbehaved in a restaurant as the family was out for a dinner. Her husband brought the child outside to the parking lot and inside their car. A couple seats on the butt and a short discussion and the teaching moment was over. Or was it? His wife got a call and visit from Social Services the next day. It was the parents position that they were loving their child. Social Services disagreed. Whose definition of love should prevail? 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